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So you say you have a military.

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:05 am
by ForumAdmin
One word: hardcore
Web Addiction Gets Conscripts Out of Army
Tue Aug 3,10:20 AM ET

HELSINKI (Reuters) - A number of Finnish conscripts have been excused their full term of military service because they are addicted to the Internet, the Finnish Defense Forces said Tuesday.

Doctors have found the young men miss their computers too much to cope with their compulsory six months in the forces.

"For people who play (Internet) games all night and don't have any friends, don't have any hobbies, to come into the army is a very big shock," said Commander-Captain Jyrki Kivela at the military conscription unit.

"Some of (the conscripts) go to the doctor and say they can't stay. Sometimes, the doctors have said they have an Internet addiction," Kivela said.

There are no official figures for the Internet addict dropout rate.

"They get sent home for three years and after that they have to come back and we ask if they are OK ... they will have had time to grow up," Kivela said.

Finland called up 26,500 men in 2003, nine percent of whom were relieved of duty for medical reasons.

However, the Internet drop-outs have not dented national pride in "sisu," a Finnish quality of being tough and resilient.

"We are very proud of our Finnish men. Eight-two percent of all Finnish men manage their whole military service," Kivela said.

Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... nternet_dc

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:57 pm
by Xavier Zyrae
Hmm, what!? You can't go online thru the wireless link in tanks / helo's etc!? I saw on Discovery though that the US has been working on a lot of new gear for the "warrior of the future"... I'm sure that'll include a wireless net connection for those that really can't do without their Counter-Strike fix. :lol:

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:10 pm
by Shazam0
woah! :shock:

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:48 pm
by Adelon_Cypher
heh, I wonder if there's already been created a "Netaholics Anonymous"

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:43 pm
by Shazam0
my wife found a orginization with similar purposes, only it was for wives of gamers. :twisted:

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:57 am
by Nalvasa
This is just ... sad.

I wonder how General McArthur would have handled these guys given the stories I have read about him and the way he treated soldiers faking injuries to get off the front line. I bet they wouldn't get sent home for three years...
This will hit U.S. soldiers next, have no doubt.

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:17 am
by DagnyTaggart
(one cs gaming addict soldier to another normal soldier)

"OMFGWTFBBQSTICKS that iraqi wallhacks!!!!"

"... dude stfu this is real life."

"oh whoops"



yea um.... what happened to the days of deserters getting shot?
if you join the military and discover its not for you, just make sure you fail boot camp. after that you are on the field, you are commited. getting out for any reason other than honourable discharge is breaking a contract in my opinion.

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:59 pm
by Marrius Ritran
Meh.

Isn't really what the topic is about but I do believe NS should once again become compulsory in England. NS shouldn't necessarily be service in the armed forces, there should be placements in the emergency services as well. I feel NS should be a way for young people to give something back to society and it would be a good way to enforce discipline.

This isn't a biased opinion, if NS was re-implemented in the near future I would have to serve.

Marrius

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:28 pm
by Kosmo
Just browsed around finding EVE info for newbies when I tumbled in here and saw this thread, so forgive me for resurrecting this one.
Couldnt resist writing something about it.

Here in Finland army service is mandatory for all males aged from 18-28.
Women can volunteer at 18-30.
This means that unless your religion is against all kinds of violence then you have 4 choises.

1. Get the "red ticket" that states that you are unfit to do a military service. If you get this for, lets say a really bad back injury, then you will be drafted again whitin few years if the injury then allows you to do a limited service (less physical stress, clerks, chefs etc.) Those who get the ticket for mental reasons wont be called in again during Peace Time.

2. Go to jail for 9 months. You dont have to drop out from school and your alloved to leave for short vacations, school or volunteer work.
You wont get anykind of criminal record for this.

3. 14 months of civil service. If you cant find something your self then a job will be appointed to you.

4. Serve 6-12 months in armed forces. If your a pacifist you CAN do a 6 months military service without anykind of weapons traning.
Youll be given a job in the kitchen, maintenance etc.

If at any point during your armed service you decide that its just not for you you can convert the rest of the time your supposed to serve in army to a civil service. If you dont want to do the civil service then your going to jail. (again if you cant get a statement for medical reasons etc. which is easy. In example telling the doctor that your having hard time getting any rest when sleeping in the same room with strangers will be a good reason. Sleep debrivation and assault weapons do not mix well.

Since many have living relatives who took part in Winter War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War), Continuation War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War) and/or Lapland War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War), the pressure to do a full and honorable service is quite high. If you apply for a job theres a very good chance that you will be asked if you did army service. In general Finnish people have a very high national pride and because of that and our history a mandatory army service is considered to be best way for Finland to handle her defence.

However there are those who just cant handle the army and those who just dont want to join (be it for political/religious reasons or something else). Internet addiction is just a more politically correct word for "too fat and too lazy" if you ask me. The number of drop outs did not increase with the introduction of internet addiction, the number of other medical reasons just got lower.
yea um.... what happened to the days of deserters getting shot?
As far as I know you can be senteced for death during an act of war for deserting and trying to get others to do so. During the last wars of Finland only few were shot, rest were inprisoned.
if you join the military and discover its not for you, just make sure you fail boot camp. after that you are on the field, you are commited. getting out for any reason other than honourable discharge is breaking a contract in my opinion.
Since you have an option to do civil service as a way to "give something back to the society" theres no reason to waste everyones time in failing bootcamp. But I agree, if you join, want to join and feel that joining is a good thing to do then you should just bite your tongue and get through it like everyone else.
heh, I wonder if there's already been created a "Netaholics Anonymous"
There are several in the states, few in europe and some in asia. Considering that there are so many cases of babies left alone for days while parents were playing EverQuest and korean kids dropping like flys in internet cafes, its a suprice that there arent any more of these.




Oh yeah, how do you get the client to fullscreen mode?
I got a pretty big monitor and high resolution so the text in the game window is allmost too tiny to see without sticking my nose right at the screen. :P

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:36 am
by Xavier Zyrae
Kosmo wrote:Oh yeah, how do you get the client to fullscreen mode?
I got a pretty big monitor and high resolution so the text in the game window is allmost too tiny to see without sticking my nose right at the screen. :P
Try ALT+ENTER...

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:27 am
by ForumAdmin
For some reason I'm just really not afraid of Finland's military. Or impressed.

9 months of jail, but you can still keep going to school and take a vacation? Sounds like you're being grounded by your parents, not going to "jail." But then, I guess you use the term "jail" very losely over in Finland.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:27 am
by Jillari
Yoshokun Shinzuku wrote:For some reason I'm just really not afraid of Finland's military. Or impressed.
This is probably off-topic, but... you may want to take a look at some of the accounts of the Winter War. It may make you change your mind. Any army that manages to stop an invasion dead in its tracks despite an 8-to-1 numerical disadvantage is -- in my judgement -- an army to be respected.

--Jillari