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To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:43 pm
by Shar Tegral
I just thought that antagonistic marketing might help me avoid this heinous crime:
Petyr Baelich wrote:1: Your intro post on these forums has more than one page of responses to it.
So, now that I've suckered you into this thread I'd like you to pick one of the following options:

1 - Tell me to piss off
2 - Tell me what you know of me
3 - Ask me something you've though of asking me
4 - Send me isk for making you laugh
5 - All of the above.

Enjoy.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:49 pm
by Petyr Baelich
1) Piss off.

2) I know way too much about you to post here.

#3 makes no sense at all so... Piss off!

4) No.

5) Check.


As an aside: Shar is a friend of mine, in-game. I'm actively trying to recruit him, and some other ex-TTI members back into the fold. The other guys/gals are much less antagonistic but can be equally amusing.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:49 am
by Kushan
Didn't realize Shar was ex tti. \o.

oh also piss off etc. also i am totally going to spam post this thread until it reaches two pages just to jinx you.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:14 am
by Raaz Satik
Your heinous crime link doesn't work!

Where'd you go Shar? You led the exodus from MD to EBank, but now your rarely seen on either?

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:21 pm
by Shar Tegral
Raaz Satik wrote:You led the exodus from MD to EBank, but now your rarely seen on either?
Okay, I could point out that I've been damned busy but that would be half an answer. True mind you but only half.

The reason I don't visit eBank's forums anymore is because I felt that too many people there exercise power instead of restraint. Kind of the opposite problem that MD was going through at the time. (Being that no moderation was taking place).

Hmmmm.... I probably should elaborate:

MD (at the time)

It had recently been moved up the category list. Had an influx of new posters, most likely bored peeps from C&P and COAD, who were bringing in a wave of non-stop useless threads and trolling. Repeated reportings and emails to the moderators had null effect. (Null is bad as it encourages bad behavior.) Finally it got to be too much and I left.

eBank's Forums

I kind of lay this one on SentryRaven but I posted an idea of trying to regain control of MD once moderation seemed to start stirring again. I suggested that we "group" report troll threads working from the idea that the more something is reported the likelier something is to be handled. SR locked my thread but while doing so decided to add his very negative opinion of my actions. Calling it "creating a denial of service attack" and that he was exercising his authority to lock up the thread.

Well, truth be told, he did not (and does not) have that authority. He does have the power and ability but not the authority. Not to mention the fact that the idea itself was as far from being a DOS attack as possible. (Even 200 people filling out a thread report at the same time could not possibly create a dos attack where thousands browse regularly every hour)

The thing that I realized about eBank, that had always bothered me, is that it is just like any community, hostage to the lowest common moron. While I was, and am, viewed as a loose cannon one thing I've never done is unilaterally decided to act based solely upon my solitary judgment. Several people at eBank have no problem with deciding for themselves what needs to be done right now, doing it, and then finally going to their team mates (it is supposed to be a team) and seeking collective advice/answers.

Such behavior embodies the worst attributes of being a maverick. IMNSHO when one decides to be part of a team/group/corp/whatever you also decide to take your worries/issues/concerns to them first. You can be loud, obnoxious, whatever about the matter (which creates its own problems) but you do it privately amongst your peers. You don't just go acting out in public based on your sole say so.

So, between SentryRaven's ignorance of Denial of Service and inability to differentiate between having power and having authority I realized that eBank was not the place for me. So I've not been back since I've called him a fucktard. Probably a bit harsh and overboard in response. However I was highly annoyed not for the above reasons but for the fact that I had worked very very hard at making eBank's forums a livelier place. To encourage people to read it more as an MD alternative. To have SentryRaven moderate so unilaterally and so stupidly was, imho, to torpedo the efforts to be a suitable MD alternative.

We were supposed to be better than MD in regards to tolerance as well as moderation. In one smooth move, that was tarnished.

As for TTI: I was kicked as a security risk and malcontent in Aug '03. The first charge was patently untrue but was good as a method to tar me to those who were raising a fuss about why and how I was kicked. The second was true, I was vocal regarding the excessive license and abuses that the management of (then) TTI were taking. I said it back then and I'll say it now: Atlas Shrugged was not just a book about how man should be but it was, more importantly, a book about how man can be abused by others. It supremely detailed how to loot your fellow man and, imnsho, that is exactly what Ragnar and his cohorts had done.

So for lèse majesté, I was supposedly punished. The purging went so far as to kick out people considered "too close" to me as well. Rumors and deceitful accounts about me were floated about and in the short term it was a bit painful. Schoolyard antics of course but no one likes being falsely made a pariah. Of course I laugh when I consider the eventual outcome, Ragnar best known as a crackpot, his cohorts not known at all, and myself - (in)famous to a degree that they could have only dreamed about. Which is surprising of course since fame was the furthest thing on my agenda.

Well, not so surprising actually. The eve community is contrary by nature. Go seeking fame, you'll fail. Go seeking something else, and do it well, you'll wind up with all kinds of secondary benefits.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:36 pm
by musashi
Shar Tegral wrote:So, now that I've suckered you into this thread I'd like you to pick one of the following options:
3 - Ask me something you've though of asking me
What is the average land speed of a swallow?

WB Shar, I don't think we had the chance to meet in game in the past.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:06 pm
by Shar Tegral
musashi wrote:What is the average land speed of a swallow?
The answer is multifactorial. Firstly, what is being swallowed? Then, who is doing the swallowing? The speed of landing is conditional on sack hangage I believe but the abdominals can add some significant velocity but only if from a standing position.
musashi wrote:WB Shar, I don't think we had the chance to meet in game in the past.
Actually that's not so surprising. I'm not anti social just not inclined to go where traffic is heavy. Jita for instance but also some of the trade channels as well. I prefer only having one user optioned channel open at any moment. I'm saddened by the fact that I current have four. Pay attention to the game, miss someone trying to get hold of you. Pay attention to chat, get podded.

Sadly, people think I'm aloof in a few channels as well. :twisted:

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:45 pm
by Raaz Satik
Shar Tegral wrote:
musashi wrote:What is the average land speed of a swallow?
The answer is multifactorial. Firstly, what is being swallowed? Then, who is doing the swallowing? The speed of landing is conditional on sack hangage I believe but the abdominals can add some significant velocity but only if from a standing position.
I think he meant the bird!

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:04 pm
by Shar Tegral
Raaz Satik wrote:I think he meant the bird!
Oh

:twisted:

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:34 pm
by Tolthar Lockbar
Shar Tegral wrote: 4 - Send me isk for making you laugh
*Hands Shar one thousand Tolthar Bank (tm) notes.*

These are good anywhere someone will accept them!

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:32 pm
by Shar Tegral
Tolthar Lockbar wrote:These are good anywhere someone will accept them!
It's not finding acceptance that is the problem. It's the pitiful exchange rate. However I will keep them in remembrance of the giver.

(some many directions to take this joke - so little desire to do so tho, thx)

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:28 pm
by ElweSingollo
is this the I know Shar Tegral and am a member of his Corp thread?.... No? ah well hello there everyone. :lol:

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:28 pm
by Emedan
I have tried to find what exactly happend with Ragnar but there are many, many different versions. As somebody who never really got involved in Eve (account suspended for several years) untll now, I would be very courious to learn what is the official stance of TTI on this issue.

Re: To Hell With All Of You

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:46 pm
by Raaz Satik
Corporate History
Before this loss however Ragnar had, due to the necessity to devote more time to his real-life businesses, decided to leave EVE.