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lostchylde
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lostchylde wrote:macs rock. dont be a pc clone, buy a imac.
lc
cmon now. Imacs are the worst of the macs. At least the G5 has some credibility....
The royal pain in the arse to upgrade, and the lack of much of the gaming software / peripherals just make the mac _not_ the way to go.
And now that AMD and Intel have 64-bit procs out...well mac doesn't have a whole lot to show...imnho.
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lostchylde
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to sum up the pc vs mac debate. i play games on the pc, i do all my real work on the mac.
case in point, my mom for years suffered from windows / pc problems. this doesnt work, that wont work, ect, ect. so when i moved up here and her pc took a dive, again, i began working on it and came to the conclusion that at this rate we might as well get her a new pc cuz this ones a pile o junk. somebody had sold her the best there was at the time but actuallly had ripped her off and sold her a pile o shit.
so she says lets get an imac. she said. so we did. and now shes way happy cuz it just works. it doesnt crash, it does what she wants, she can figure it out and it just LOOKS FUCKING COOL. that design rocks.
so, whatever, i use both and i dont much give a damn about which is better bullshit debate. all i know is my mum is happy with her imac and im happy with my dual g4.
lc
so go pay yer taxes u pc loosers
case in point, my mom for years suffered from windows / pc problems. this doesnt work, that wont work, ect, ect. so when i moved up here and her pc took a dive, again, i began working on it and came to the conclusion that at this rate we might as well get her a new pc cuz this ones a pile o junk. somebody had sold her the best there was at the time but actuallly had ripped her off and sold her a pile o shit.
so she says lets get an imac. she said. so we did. and now shes way happy cuz it just works. it doesnt crash, it does what she wants, she can figure it out and it just LOOKS FUCKING COOL. that design rocks.
so, whatever, i use both and i dont much give a damn about which is better bullshit debate. all i know is my mum is happy with her imac and im happy with my dual g4.
lc
so go pay yer taxes u pc loosers
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Thats a rip on MS operating systems, not the hardware. Windows has a huge hold on the pc os market share, so it's difficult to get games for other os's like linux. But the vulnrability and crashing have nothing to do with pc hardware vs mac hardware, its MS software vs Mac software. As a matter of fact Mac OS X is just FreeBSD Unix ported to run on Mac's hardware with a sexy mac gui. Now stable secure operating systems are available on any promanant hardware platform.
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I posted that at an Apple store when I went to go play with one.
To be honest, I'll never stop using Windows. Windows is where my productivity work will always be done, and Windows is where my gaming will always be done.
However, for a laptop, I find the 15" Powerbook quite appealing. Keep in mind the types of usage that a laptop gets when compared to a desktop. IMO, buying a Mac desktop is just plain stupid. When I was using the G5 I was horrified by the load speed. My AthlonXP 2.1ghz w/ 512MB of RAM and a PATA (IBM Desktar) HDD destroy a dual G5 w/ 1.5gb of RAM when it comes to loading Photoshop. Having never used a G5 before, I found its overall sluggishness in loading applications appalling. This is especially true when you see the very slight performance difference from the G4 laptops I used. One would expect a huge performance gap between a 1ghz G4 w/ 512MB of RAM and a dual 2ghz G5 w/ 1.5GB of RAM, but it was miniscule. About 2 seconds to be exact.
So, will I be getting a Powerbook? Probably. They are nice laptops, and OSX is nice for many reasons, namely I like the interface (for using, not for working, I still prefer Windows there), its Unix base means I can actually learn some Unix w/o having to waste a whole computer (I hate dual booting machines, I did it for far too long in the 98/2K days, so I refuse to now.) just to play with it so I can get basic knowledge, I can say I know Mac (which is good if I ever want to get a job in NYC at a design firm of some sort) and plus the Powerbook is w/o a doubt the best built laptop I've ever seen. If only Sony or Toshiba could put out a machine like that... the G4 processor aside of course.
So yeah. Mac desktops? Gimme a break. Mac laptops? Hey, maybe. It seems I'm not alone on this one tho. Powerbooks and iBooks have about 9% of the laptop market share, vs the ~ 1% of desktop market share. These combined give Apple its overall 2-3% computer market share that they quote. W/o the Powerbooks, that # would be a joke.
As for computer novices and Apples... I can see where they think that Apples are easier to use. I think that's primary because there are more normal-people applications built by Apple that are automatically installed when compared to Windows where Microsoft does very few normal-people applications and lets the small companies do their thing while they focus on enterprise level and productivity applications.
For actual usability, I agree that it's a NICER interface, but I wouldn't say it's easier. I find it partially counter-intuitive on some levels (Panther's Finder, for example) when compared to the Start menu. But I think overall is that Windows has a horrific array of options (especially XP) which overwhelm novices. Apple completely lacks these options (they exist usually, but are not as easily available as a part of the 'standard' options window) and so people consider the OS 'easier'. It's a matter of perspective really. Those of us who are power users would of course rather have those options easily availble, which Windows does exceedingly well in an organized manner. Apple has a general rule that most options should be available within 3 clicks. The way Windows organizes stuff so deep due to volume of options would probably make that an impossible dream or an even more cluttered Control Panel.
Is Windows an eyesore? I'd say yes, when you compare to OSX. But is an OS supposed to be pretty or useful? Can you do both? I would say that OSX, on the whole, is better at doing both from a PLATFORM standpoint. It's very powerful (when compared to OS9 and below) in relation to Windows and it's pretty. Windows XP is very powerful, pretty damn stable and, once you get the hang of it, very simple to use... but it's ass ugly. Longhorn will probably fix a lot of that ugly issue as well as adding a layer of user-friendly options on top of the standard array of endless choices we currently see in XP.
Now, if I could build a system and run OSX on it, which OS would I pick? I'd actually have a pretty hard time with that, but would probably pick Windows at the end of the day just because of its code writing capabilities. Whilst xcode is nice for deving OSX software and WebObjects is nice for proprietary OSX web applications, Visual Studio.NET gives you ASP.NET w/ C# and the rest of the standards (MS or cross-platform) that work extremely well. Apple has Java... which is great, but slow and requires a great deal of server hardware to run, not to mention iffy support for small business applications. The Java vs. ASP.NET argument at the enterprise level argument could go on forever, so I won't discuss it here, except that I prefer ASP.NET due to my own background in ASP (despite the fact that ASP.NET is almost completely different, hehe).
So there you go. I don't like anyone who's a zealot on either side, both have their pros and cons, so that's why I intend on using both's strengths as I can: OSX for my laptop, Windows for my desktop.
To be honest, I'll never stop using Windows. Windows is where my productivity work will always be done, and Windows is where my gaming will always be done.
However, for a laptop, I find the 15" Powerbook quite appealing. Keep in mind the types of usage that a laptop gets when compared to a desktop. IMO, buying a Mac desktop is just plain stupid. When I was using the G5 I was horrified by the load speed. My AthlonXP 2.1ghz w/ 512MB of RAM and a PATA (IBM Desktar) HDD destroy a dual G5 w/ 1.5gb of RAM when it comes to loading Photoshop. Having never used a G5 before, I found its overall sluggishness in loading applications appalling. This is especially true when you see the very slight performance difference from the G4 laptops I used. One would expect a huge performance gap between a 1ghz G4 w/ 512MB of RAM and a dual 2ghz G5 w/ 1.5GB of RAM, but it was miniscule. About 2 seconds to be exact.
So, will I be getting a Powerbook? Probably. They are nice laptops, and OSX is nice for many reasons, namely I like the interface (for using, not for working, I still prefer Windows there), its Unix base means I can actually learn some Unix w/o having to waste a whole computer (I hate dual booting machines, I did it for far too long in the 98/2K days, so I refuse to now.) just to play with it so I can get basic knowledge, I can say I know Mac (which is good if I ever want to get a job in NYC at a design firm of some sort) and plus the Powerbook is w/o a doubt the best built laptop I've ever seen. If only Sony or Toshiba could put out a machine like that... the G4 processor aside of course.
So yeah. Mac desktops? Gimme a break. Mac laptops? Hey, maybe. It seems I'm not alone on this one tho. Powerbooks and iBooks have about 9% of the laptop market share, vs the ~ 1% of desktop market share. These combined give Apple its overall 2-3% computer market share that they quote. W/o the Powerbooks, that # would be a joke.
As for computer novices and Apples... I can see where they think that Apples are easier to use. I think that's primary because there are more normal-people applications built by Apple that are automatically installed when compared to Windows where Microsoft does very few normal-people applications and lets the small companies do their thing while they focus on enterprise level and productivity applications.
For actual usability, I agree that it's a NICER interface, but I wouldn't say it's easier. I find it partially counter-intuitive on some levels (Panther's Finder, for example) when compared to the Start menu. But I think overall is that Windows has a horrific array of options (especially XP) which overwhelm novices. Apple completely lacks these options (they exist usually, but are not as easily available as a part of the 'standard' options window) and so people consider the OS 'easier'. It's a matter of perspective really. Those of us who are power users would of course rather have those options easily availble, which Windows does exceedingly well in an organized manner. Apple has a general rule that most options should be available within 3 clicks. The way Windows organizes stuff so deep due to volume of options would probably make that an impossible dream or an even more cluttered Control Panel.
Is Windows an eyesore? I'd say yes, when you compare to OSX. But is an OS supposed to be pretty or useful? Can you do both? I would say that OSX, on the whole, is better at doing both from a PLATFORM standpoint. It's very powerful (when compared to OS9 and below) in relation to Windows and it's pretty. Windows XP is very powerful, pretty damn stable and, once you get the hang of it, very simple to use... but it's ass ugly. Longhorn will probably fix a lot of that ugly issue as well as adding a layer of user-friendly options on top of the standard array of endless choices we currently see in XP.
Now, if I could build a system and run OSX on it, which OS would I pick? I'd actually have a pretty hard time with that, but would probably pick Windows at the end of the day just because of its code writing capabilities. Whilst xcode is nice for deving OSX software and WebObjects is nice for proprietary OSX web applications, Visual Studio.NET gives you ASP.NET w/ C# and the rest of the standards (MS or cross-platform) that work extremely well. Apple has Java... which is great, but slow and requires a great deal of server hardware to run, not to mention iffy support for small business applications. The Java vs. ASP.NET argument at the enterprise level argument could go on forever, so I won't discuss it here, except that I prefer ASP.NET due to my own background in ASP (despite the fact that ASP.NET is almost completely different, hehe).
So there you go. I don't like anyone who's a zealot on either side, both have their pros and cons, so that's why I intend on using both's strengths as I can: OSX for my laptop, Windows for my desktop.
In school i've been forced onto Macs. I am not used to them, and have issues getting simple tasks accomplished. I have used PC and macs, but for the last decade mostly pc, consequently i know how to do much more on pc, and prefer it because i have put time into learning how to work on it. Not saying its better, just that i know more about one then the other.
GL, HF, KA, DD!
From a techie point of view, ignoring the hardware for the moment.
Prior to OS X (of which I have no experience) the Mac operating system was a nightmare. Networking and interoperability caused major headaches on networks where Minis *nix and PCs (windows and Linux) interacted quite happily.
The people who like macs are generally old school Media types who dont like change and still believe that the jobs they do can only be done properly on macs.
Whereas in general windows versions of the same software are as powerful and far more useable. The right mouse button anyone?
The new mac lovers are so purely because of the style of the devices. Which I personally dont like.
To summarise.
PCs are for people who want funtionality, ease of use and compatibility
Macs are for people who prefer style instead
Prior to OS X (of which I have no experience) the Mac operating system was a nightmare. Networking and interoperability caused major headaches on networks where Minis *nix and PCs (windows and Linux) interacted quite happily.
The people who like macs are generally old school Media types who dont like change and still believe that the jobs they do can only be done properly on macs.
Whereas in general windows versions of the same software are as powerful and far more useable. The right mouse button anyone?
The new mac lovers are so purely because of the style of the devices. Which I personally dont like.
To summarise.
PCs are for people who want funtionality, ease of use and compatibility
Macs are for people who prefer style instead
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OS X does look like a step in the right direction, being properly 32-bit, having SMP support, etc., although it took them long enough. It's approximately equivalent to Windows NT circa 1992 I reckon .
Also the once revolutionary UI design hasn't really moved on in the past 15 years. The first Mac I used was actually an Apple Lisa, and it's striking how virtually identical the current OS looks, except for some coloured icons here and there.
Their critical error was not licensing the hardware or the OS early on of course, or it could have been a very different story. It's easy to forget just how mind-numbingly crap PCs were for a long time.
So yeah, style over content. I'm sure Apple would agree given how they market them.
"So what kind of Mac do you have?"
"A purple one!"
.Also the once revolutionary UI design hasn't really moved on in the past 15 years. The first Mac I used was actually an Apple Lisa, and it's striking how virtually identical the current OS looks, except for some coloured icons here and there.
Their critical error was not licensing the hardware or the OS early on of course, or it could have been a very different story. It's easy to forget just how mind-numbingly crap PCs were for a long time.
So yeah, style over content. I'm sure Apple would agree given how they market them.
"So what kind of Mac do you have?"
"A purple one!"
